Strategies and Guides

[xionc]

The Goon Heaven community is strongly not familiarized with usage of vehicles, especially multi seated bombers and transport. Solution is simple - don't play there, but sometimes there is no other place.

It's really annoing when You call TG, and there he comes: a scout with energy pack, even without flares...
Or bombardier instead of dropping bombs he firing turret above enemy base...

So let everyone knows:
If bomber needs Tailgunner (most important part of crew, he makes bomber alive) it needs:
Guy in HEAVY armor with FLARES
equiped with:
- sensor jammer pack - if enemy have got many AA turrets, plasma turrets, elf, mortar (missle NOT)
- repair pack - when in-flight repair will be useful (intensive bombing)
- ammunition pack - it means more FLARES, when enemy got a lot of missles
and he need to have a Missle Launcher, to easly shoot down Shrikes, and other weapons - but it is individual choise.

The tasks of TailGunner (TG) are:
- drop flares when missle is fired at us
- turn on sensor jammer when closing to the enemy base/turrets
- repair bomber when it is possible/need, and do not collide with other tasks
- shoot down Shrikes (imho most difficult task)
- get ASAP in TG seat when bomber needs him

Tasks of Bombardier:
- drop bombs whet it is useful (do not do this when it isn't needed)
- try to do not use turret to ground targets, it is less effective than bombs and wasteo our "firepower" (orange stripe)
- try to do not drop bombs when it can damage our bomber

Tasks of Pilot:
- aiming bombs to the target
- find the most important targets
- avoid enemy fire, and enemy shrikes
- move fast, but effective (nosediving is a solution)
- thik about rest of a crew, eg. get TG time to repair bomber or to aim shrike with missle (eg. i have ping ~200ms, so aiming shirke is difficult when moving fast)



When travelling in Tank:
- pilot should stop if he wants gunner to shoot right in target
- pilot repairs tank
- pilot paint targets for gunner
- pilot should think
- gunner got to think too
- gunner task is to aim and shoot in right way


There is a Havoc, but TG tasks are the same. Pilot task is to transport heavies (in most cases) at the enemy base, so they rape it

Sorry for my english - it is not my language, if there are mistakes please edit them.

[Mruballos]

I love this lol. It's true so many people suck on this.

[teratos]

English is good enough (better than some of the native speakers on these forums) and advice is good.

A++ post.

[PROJECTILE]

i wouldn't encourage people to tailgun or drive around in tanks.  they are almost never used on serious servers (bombers are usually used to transport rapers to the enemy base, not to bomb, and tanks are usually only used in competition because they need to have accurate long distance spam to be used offensively).  it's better that people learn how to play in light and heavy armor

[teratos]

Clearly this is about pubbing for fun and not comp.

[PROJECTILE]

Clearly this is about pubbing for fun and not comp.

it's more fun when people know how to play :|

[Nikolai]

Clearly this is about pubbing for fun and not comp.

it's more fun when people know how to play :|

I think this comes down to that classic/base debate, doesn't it?

[Eolk]

Keep the thread on-topic, please! Thank you!

[Shadowex3]

Tailgunners: Put down the goddamn shocklance unless you KNOW how to use it because that one time you get excited and keep it out you're going to hop out onto the hill, forget that you aren't holding your repair pack anymore, and do something very funny and yet oh so very wrong to your friends.

[retep]

Great topic!

i wouldn't encourage people to tailgun or drive around in tanks.  they are almost never used on serious servers

Maybe I don't know what a "serious" means, but I think they are key to all of the teamwork orientated aspects of the game.

(bombers are usually used to transport rapers to the enemy base, not to bomb,

This is not a good thing. Bombing can be incredibly disruptive for the enemy and helpful for clearing turrets for the capper or rapers. If you send a bomber before a HAVOC brings in 5 heavies, you're gonna do some real lasting damage.

and tanks are usually only used in competition because they need to have accurate long distance spam to be used offensively).  it's better that people learn how to play in light and heavy armor

Tanks parked behind the enemy base or even as defense are also a great asset!

[PROJECTILE]

Great topic!

i wouldn't encourage people to tailgun or drive around in tanks.  they are almost never used on serious servers

Maybe I don't know what a "serious" means, but I think they are key to all of the teamwork orientated aspects of the game.

(bombers are usually used to transport rapers to the enemy base, not to bomb,

This is not a good thing. Bombing can be incredibly disruptive for the enemy and helpful for clearing turrets for the capper or rapers. If you send a bomber before a HAVOC brings in 5 heavies, you're gonna do some real lasting damage.

and tanks are usually only used in competition because they need to have accurate long distance spam to be used offensively).  it's better that people learn how to play in light and heavy armor

Tanks parked behind the enemy base or even as defense are also a great asset!

1) they are not really key to anything.  most of the core tribes gameplay is not based around vehicles, but around using the armors.
2) bombing only has very specific uses where it's terribly useful, and most of the time it's a waste.  if all you're just talking about scoring a lot of points on the goon server, then yeah it can be useful.  other than that, you'd be better off going ho
3) tanks also have very specific uses, and once again, are less useful than a quality player doing something else

[Abstract]

1) they are not really key to anything.  most of the core tribes gameplay is not based around vehicles, but around using the armors.

No offense intended.

The quote above is a false statement.  most of the core "classic" gameplay is not based around vehicles would be a more correct statement.  Please expand your vision my friend.

There are more than enough maps/mods to suggest that vehicle use is essential for a player to be effective.

[PROJECTILE]

1) they are not really key to anything.  most of the core tribes gameplay is not based around vehicles, but around using the armors.

No offense intended.

The quote above is a false statement.  most of the core "classic" gameplay is not based around vehicles would be a more correct statement.  Please expand your vision my friend.

There are more than enough maps/mods to suggest that vehicle use is essential for a player to be effective.

i've barely ever used vehicles in any capacity, and i'm one of the most effective players ever.  the core gameplay does not, and never has, revolve around vehicles.  the only time vehicles are necessary in any map is when you're talking about those ridiculous "CARRIER AIR STRIKE ASSAULT IV" maps, which are so incredibly unbalanced in favor of defense that they can hardly even be considered ctf maps; they'd function better for team deathmatch

[Turkeh]

the only time vehicles are necessary in any map is when you're talking about those ridiculous "CARRIER AIR STRIKE ASSAULT IV" maps, which are so incredibly unbalanced in favor of defense that they can hardly even be considered ctf maps; they'd function better for team deathmatch

You mean CTF isn't Team DeathMatch!?

Vehicles aren't an integral part of the game itself, which is why you don't see them on every map... BUT, they are useful on particular maps (when done right).

[retep]

I think a lot of the concerns about the usefulness of vehicles directly relates to how few people know how to use them.

If you have 15-30 people on a team, taking three aside to bomb can be a huge asset.

As far as points, I think pilots and tailgunners should get some (TGs for getting missiles and Pilots for the same reason the bomber gets them)