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Question: Which of these items do you think is the cheapest/noobiest/stupidest and why?
Chaingun - 5 (23.8%)
Grenade Launcher - 10 (47.6%)
Shocklance - 0 (0%)
Shield pack (especially with the plasmas no longer bypassing shields...) - 0 (0%)
Blaster - 0 (0%)
ELF gun - 3 (14.3%)
Mine-disc - 3 (14.3%)
Total Voters: 21

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Author Topic: Place for Noobs (me :D ) to complain about overpowered stuff.
Dr Horrible
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15: July 21, 2010, 06:19:45 AM »
Well, I've heard a lot of complaints about certain weapons/packs over the past few YEARS...


That made me think you played allot too....

Well, you see, most of those complaints are by me. To me. I've been playing since 2008, but I played so rarely that I couldn't count it as two years of playing. I've also gotten on a couple forums and watched a few YouTube videos and they complain about how nooby some of the things are. Also, my dad talked about how cheap Shifter made some things. Apparently you could build a fully functional base inside your opponent's base. With shields to protect it all. You had to be really coordinated to do that, but if you were, it made the game too easy.

you need to help him get a system to play t2 on

doesnt take much of a sys at all to play t2, the game was written for the gf3 card more or less, its a dx6 game with some dx8 pixel shaders and bump maps tacked on

so if you have more cpu puwer than say a 1GHz p3, and at least a gf2 or better you are good to go

when t2 came out you were lucky to have a p3 450 or k6-2 400  cpu and a nvid tnt card to play on and the game developers knew most folks had that class of harware or worse, like original pentiums and voodoo2s so they made the game playable on a wide variety of hardware

ahh the days of 98, p3s, and tnt2s

Geek out, man. I'm fully aware how little Tribes requires (I download a demo game earlier and it took more room than the installer and installed Tribes version) I played on the same computer my dad used to use after he got off Tribes. It was a 98 until the day it died. I liked that computer... *sniff...* Anyvay... Kinda can't wrap this up...

"I make art until someone dies"

Thanks! Done now Smiley
« Last Edit: July 21, 2010, 01:45:52 PM by Dr Horrible »

THAT'S MORTALS FOR YOU,  Death continued. THEY'VE ONLY GOT A FEW YEARS IN THIS WORLD AND THEY SPEND THEM ALL IN MAKING THINGS COMPLICATED FOR THEMSELVES.
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16: September 05, 2010, 05:40:01 AM »
and plasma NEVER bypassed shield.  ever.

Hi, read the book again. That's past tense for me, not command for you. It says plasma is particularly effective against shielded targets. Thing is, the blaster says specifically it bypasses the shield pack. Poor wording? I should think so!

THAT'S MORTALS FOR YOU,  Death continued. THEY'VE ONLY GOT A FEW YEARS IN THIS WORLD AND THEY SPEND THEM ALL IN MAKING THINGS COMPLICATED FOR THEMSELVES.
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17: September 14, 2010, 02:52:45 AM »
The plasma is useful against shields indoors only due to the fact that it is a rapid fire weapon and it is very effective if you are accurate with it.

I don't think any weapon is noobish or overpowered. They all have their uses and decent players mix and match.

The Grenade Launcher is probably the most effective and versatile tool when used by an experienced player though.

Back before Classic Mod the Elf was the weapon considered noobish due to its ease of use. In my opinion though the game peaks when teamwork is is incorporated thus even in base days I don't think the Elf was too much a problem.

Hehe well perhaps on maps like Sanctuary it was but that is a case for map design not weapon issues.
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18: September 14, 2010, 06:20:02 PM »
and plasma NEVER bypassed shield.  ever.

Hi, read the book again. That's past tense for me, not command for you. It says plasma is particularly effective against shielded targets. Thing is, the blaster says specifically it bypasses the shield pack. Poor wording? I should think so!

The manual also says generators provide intermittent power when damaged, says lava ignores the shield pack, says the ELF deals damage, says the flare can be used simply to mark areas, says you carry 6 grenades, neglects to say that the laser rifle doesn't work in water, and says you can shake a heat lock if you stop jetting.  The manual is not always right.

Shoot at a turret with the plasma rifle.  Tell me how many shots it takes to break through the shield.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2010, 06:21:43 PM by Red Shifter »
Dr Horrible
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19: September 15, 2010, 05:53:08 PM »
and plasma NEVER bypassed shield.  ever.

Hi, read the book again. That's past tense for me, not command for you. It says plasma is particularly effective against shielded targets. Thing is, the blaster says specifically it bypasses the shield pack. Poor wording? I should think so!

The manual also says generators provide intermittent power when damaged, says lava ignores the shield pack, says the ELF deals damage, says the flare can be used simply to mark areas, says you carry 6 grenades, neglects to say that the laser rifle doesn't work in water, and says you can shake a heat lock if you stop jetting.  The manual is not always right.

Shoot at a turret with the plasma rifle.  Tell me how many shots it takes to break through the shield.

Er, actually quite a few of those are right. It doesn't say the ELF does damage, it says it drains shields and hampers mobility. The TURRET version does damage. I've shaken uncountable missile locks by not jetting. The flares are probably just for visual marking, not targeting. The laser rifle has worked fine for me underwater. Lava, if it doesn't ignore shields, drains them fast enough it doesn't make a difference. I don't really care about the intermittent power.

And that's a terrible example. It takes four or five missiles to take down a turret with shields. I'm not going to waste perfectly good plasma ammo on turrets. If I'm in scout, I have no business taking out turrets, and if I'm not, I'm using missiles. Perhaps a targeting laser.

Besides, we're off topic. Am I the only one who notices that?
« Last Edit: September 15, 2010, 05:55:01 PM by Dr Horrible »

THAT'S MORTALS FOR YOU,  Death continued. THEY'VE ONLY GOT A FEW YEARS IN THIS WORLD AND THEY SPEND THEM ALL IN MAKING THINGS COMPLICATED FOR THEMSELVES.
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20: November 24, 2010, 07:06:27 PM »
and plasma NEVER bypassed shield.  ever.

Hi, read the book again. That's past tense for me, not command for you. It says plasma is particularly effective against shielded targets. Thing is, the blaster says specifically it bypasses the shield pack. Poor wording? I should think so!


The manual also says generators provide intermittent power when damaged, says lava ignores the shield pack, says the ELF deals damage, says the flare can be used simply to mark areas, says you carry 6 grenades, neglects to say that the laser rifle doesn't work in water, and says you can shake a heat lock if you stop jetting.  The manual is not always right.

Shoot at a turret with the plasma rifle.  Tell me how many shots it takes to break through the shield.

Er, actually quite a few of those are right. It doesn't say the ELF does damage, it says it drains shields and hampers mobility. The TURRET version does damage. I've shaken uncountable missile locks by not jetting. The flares are probably just for visual marking, not targeting. The laser rifle has worked fine for me underwater. Lava, if it doesn't ignore shields, drains them fast enough it doesn't make a difference. I don't really care about the intermittent power.

And that's a terrible example. It takes four or five missiles to take down a turret with shields. I'm not going to waste perfectly good plasma ammo on turrets. If I'm in scout, I have no business taking out turrets, and if I'm not, I'm using missiles. Perhaps a targeting laser.

Besides, we're off topic. Am I the only one who notices that?
No, I do not believe that we are off topic.
I believe that we are VERY off topic.
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21: November 26, 2010, 06:45:07 AM »
and plasma NEVER bypassed shield.  ever.

Hi, read the book again. That's past tense for me, not command for you. It says plasma is particularly effective against shielded targets. Thing is, the blaster says specifically it bypasses the shield pack. Poor wording? I should think so!


The manual also says generators provide intermittent power when damaged, says lava ignores the shield pack, says the ELF deals damage, says the flare can be used simply to mark areas, says you carry 6 grenades, neglects to say that the laser rifle doesn't work in water, and says you can shake a heat lock if you stop jetting.  The manual is not always right.

Shoot at a turret with the plasma rifle.  Tell me how many shots it takes to break through the shield.

Er, actually quite a few of those are right. It doesn't say the ELF does damage, it says it drains shields and hampers mobility. The TURRET version does damage. I've shaken uncountable missile locks by not jetting. The flares are probably just for visual marking, not targeting. The laser rifle has worked fine for me underwater. Lava, if it doesn't ignore shields, drains them fast enough it doesn't make a difference. I don't really care about the intermittent power.

And that's a terrible example. It takes four or five missiles to take down a turret with shields. I'm not going to waste perfectly good plasma ammo on turrets. If I'm in scout, I have no business taking out turrets, and if I'm not, I'm using missiles. Perhaps a targeting laser.

Besides, we're off topic. Am I the only one who notices that?
No, I do not believe that we are off topic.
I believe that we are VERY off topic.

Well, what did you vote?

THAT'S MORTALS FOR YOU,  Death continued. THEY'VE ONLY GOT A FEW YEARS IN THIS WORLD AND THEY SPEND THEM ALL IN MAKING THINGS COMPLICATED FOR THEMSELVES.
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22: November 26, 2010, 05:51:39 PM »
The grenade launcher is not overpowered , sorry , but if it was most of the people would play have it 90% of the time .
I don't see many people with grenade launchers but i do see more people with lasers (not that is overpowered) and other weapons .
People usually carry the weapons which does lots of damage , and fast ...

And the grenade launcher does both of those. Quite well. Because of its fire rate compared to the spinfusor, you don't have to be as accurate, because you can just fire six of them in the time you could fire two spinfusor discs. As long as they're taking more than a sixth of their health in damage each time you shoot, you don't have to worry. The only two things (really) that balance the grenade launcher are the ammo capacity and the fact you can't hit people in midair with it. Which most people can't do with the spinfusor. There's also the arc, but someone who plays with it often enough will work their way around that VERY quickly.

And most of the people who play DO have it 90% of the time. They're just using the laser rifle or the fusion mortar or the chaingun to spam stuff because they do more damage per hit or because they're either out of range or too close to use an explosive. Except the chaingun, but everyone agreed it's overpowered.

P.S. I no longer hunt down people who use the GL. I use it occasionally, but only if someone's over a hill and I'm out of jet.

THAT'S MORTALS FOR YOU,  Death continued. THEY'VE ONLY GOT A FEW YEARS IN THIS WORLD AND THEY SPEND THEM ALL IN MAKING THINGS COMPLICATED FOR THEMSELVES.
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23: November 27, 2010, 09:36:45 AM »
Aww damn, you hqte the gl launcher  that much ? I think it's fine , but i'm gonna use it when i see you Tongue

And if your aim's good, it'll only take you two shots and half a second to do so, which kinda proves how overpowered it is Tongue

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24: November 27, 2010, 07:25:46 PM »
Grenades have a big blast radious, they can be spammed easily and they deal out huge DPS.
But they are only effective in medium to medium-long range or as a tactic of surprise buttsecks. (who hasnt died to 2 grenades shot from an enemy that is behind you? lol)

There are many ways to get around them.
Just think about it.

The closer you are to the enemy, the harder it will be for him to hit you with a GL, and if he does damage to you he has probably damaged himself too. (Splash damage)

Grenades have a fuse time,(I don't know how much) and if you are far from the enemy, his grenades will have time to fuse and he will have chance to spam more at you.

Also, take note of the terrain. If the enemy is spamming grenades at you from a hill it will be easier for his grenades to damage you.

Out of energy and you think you will die?
Try to take cover from the terrain (if possible, some maps don't offer that) by hidding yourself behind a little hill or a rock, wait for your energy to regen a bit and attack your enemy again.

Grenades aren't better or worse than other weapons, they just have its uses.

My 0.02$
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25: November 28, 2010, 06:18:09 AM »
Grenades have a big blast radious, they can be spammed easily and they deal out huge DPS.
But they are only effective in medium to medium-long range or as a tactic of surprise buttsecks. (who hasnt died to 2 grenades shot from an enemy that is behind you? lol)

There are many ways to get around them.
Just think about it.

The closer you are to the enemy, the harder it will be for him to hit you with a GL, and if he does damage to you he has probably damaged himself too. (Splash damage)

Grenades have a fuse time,(I don't know how much) and if you are far from the enemy, his grenades will have time to fuse and he will have chance to spam more at you.

Also, take note of the terrain. If the enemy is spamming grenades at you from a hill it will be easier for his grenades to damage you.

Out of energy and you think you will die?
Try to take cover from the terrain (if possible, some maps don't offer that) by hidding yourself behind a little hill or a rock, wait for your energy to regen a bit and attack your enemy again.

Grenades aren't better or worse than other weapons, they just have its uses.

My 0.02$

Actually, never. Okay okay okay, one guy tried, but he was trying to shoot a shocklance and his weapons switched on him and he wound up killing himself and I laughed for a good five minutes.

If someone's that close, they won't be using most weapons, because the chaingun feels too clunky at that distance and they won't be using the spinfusor for the same reasons. The half second it takes means you can't get out any of your weapons fast enough to do any damage to him, so the splash damage doesn't matter. He's killed you so fast, he can just steal your health kit.

Ah, the fuse time. This is the only thing keeping me from noobing out and using a grenade launcher for everything and rocking all your blocks off. It feels slightly inconsistent, but it probably is and I just suck at it. I can't tell if it's a timer for impact or a double-impact trigger.

I guess together this makes $0.04?

THAT'S MORTALS FOR YOU,  Death continued. THEY'VE ONLY GOT A FEW YEARS IN THIS WORLD AND THEY SPEND THEM ALL IN MAKING THINGS COMPLICATED FOR THEMSELVES.
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26: November 28, 2010, 10:57:03 AM »
Well, the possibilities are endless. There are many different situations.
Debating over them would be...useless.

I just pointed something to help you against those GL spammers  Tongue

I believe the fuse time its a timer and a double impact. I've never seen a grenade bounce more than 2 times.
And the fuse time has been a trouble for me...I would have scored many MAs with the GL if it was for the fuse time... Embarrassed
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27: November 28, 2010, 12:28:07 PM »
when you are on the ground trying to get away, i will be high above you raining every grenade i have onto you, anticipating where you will move next and placing my grenades accordingly
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28: November 28, 2010, 02:54:28 PM »
MWUHAHAHA!!!
Dr Horrible
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29: November 28, 2010, 06:27:06 PM »
when you are on the ground trying to get away, i will be high above you raining every grenade i have onto you, anticipating where you will move next and placing my grenades accordingly

You know what? Go die in a fire Tongue I played an awesome game today and three people with GLs couldn't take me out Tongue

THAT'S MORTALS FOR YOU,  Death continued. THEY'VE ONLY GOT A FEW YEARS IN THIS WORLD AND THEY SPEND THEM ALL IN MAKING THINGS COMPLICATED FOR THEMSELVES.
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