General Discussion

[({STAR})earthinhabitant]

Was looking at lot of indie gaming sites and submission rules and they almost all, seemed to prefer game author owner to submit.

Would contacting Hi-Rez and asking them, be a problem for TN, or could it be circumvented and just submit it, as tribes next, not tribes 2,  as owning the IP may or may not be required

Steam http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/FAQ.php

Since the game would be  free and no revenue is generated, not sure how it would fly on steam and other sites, that revenue is shared.

Last thing wanted to do, was a get tribesnext.com a cease and desist order, by contacting Hi-Rez, thus reason asking here, as I started email to send to them and was like, better check in first with everyone here.

If Hi-Rez did give permission to do so, to any sites, Steam or others?  This would be good, right?  Thyth would you up to the submission and authorization from Hi-Rez and master server upkeep regulations they might require,,,if any rules, or restrictions apply, like change name back to Tribes II and link to hi rez studio, and ad an advert for their other games or something, might suffice to get the green light?

If does not meet requirements to get on Steam, i looked at 4 or so other sites, that can explore closer for submission policies, that might work...if this is something that is feasible or not and if so, what is best way to go about it, to respect hirez studios

or has been asked before and declined to do so? 

[Chocotaco]

My understanding in relation to the T2 source code is that it was archived away somewhere when dynamix was sold to Vivendi Games. Vivendi was then sold to Activision. HiRez bought the rights to the Tribes Franchise but Im not sure whether or not they got the T2 source code like they got the T1 source code or they would have realease it in their, tribes franchise tribute or whatever.

This guy gave me a p good anwser.



I dont believe HiRez has the code. But they have the rights. So, once you even found the code from Activision and bought it, you'd still have to buy the rights from HiRez.
Maybe even then, you could even think about trying to put the game on steam. If even then someone here would code it.

[({STAR})earthinhabitant]

i read that article a few years back and up on situation then and even contacted hi-rez about purchasing the IP Tribes...got no response from email.

Anyways, i am not interested in purchasing any rights, as this would be a win win for everyone, as the game is a bit obsolete almost, though making it available, could have some benefits for Hi-rez, by offering link to their site for current release games they own...

for sure, do not think it would cut into any profits or create any liabilities or risks, for them and simple disclaimer, would suffice, imo.

I do not think the source code is needed, for all practical intents and purpose, to add to the gaming directories, just think the owners of the game would need to authorize it, and make sure all permissions are in order to do so.

Was reading on on xfire and the all seeing eye and other gaming tools yesterday and i do not use steam currently, though was just thinking would be nice to offer it on steam for everyone...as gamespy is gone too now and sure there are others that maybe the requirements to add, are not so stringent and just act like Tribes2n is owned by the community or for sure not anyone they would be legally put in harms way, for claiming ownership rights... and just put it up on as many sites and game query programs and tools that we can, as i am not sure about legal ramifications, as for sure would not want hirez to get pissy about it if they saw one of their products being listed all over the web to play, when they shelved it and took down master server...as really think best solution, would be have hirez put master server back up, as a petition might suffice, as well as some cash or least a way for them to advertise their other releases, so potential cross purchase and play would occur and make it good for the company...why?

main reason, think it is bad for the IP to pull master server, as really how much does it cost a year to keep game alive...
Think about all the consumers got screwed, as a class action lawsuit, might be the harsh approach, as no telling how many disgruntle players it impacted, who purchased the game and spent years developing their skill and invested so many hours playing, only to have it be shelved...may be too late for class action, though really think was grounds to do so, unless it says somewhere, in agreement, that they have rights to close and end the game, when ever they choose fit...and if they do, then this would only as my point, very bad for business.

[Chocotaco]

i read that article a few years back and up on situation then and even contacted hi-rez about purchasing the IP Tribes...got no response from email.

Anyways, i am not interested in purchasing any rights, as this would be a win win for everyone, as the game is a bit obsolete almost, though making it available, could have some benefits for Hi-rez, by offering link to their site for current release games they own...

for sure, do not think it would cut into any profits or create any liabilities or risks, for them and simple disclaimer, would suffice, imo.

I do not think the source code is needed, for all practical intents and purpose, to add to the gaming directories, just think the owners of the game would need to authorize it, and make sure all permissions are in order to do so.

Was reading on on xfire and the all seeing eye and other gaming tools yesterday and i do not use steam currently, though was just thinking would be nice to offer it on steam for everyone...as gamespy is gone too now and sure there are others that maybe the requirements to add, are not so stringent and just act like Tribes2n is owned by the community or for sure not anyone they would be legally put in harms way, for claiming ownership rights... and just put it up on as many sites and game query programs and tools that we can, as i am not sure about legal ramifications, as for sure would not want hirez to get pissy about it if they saw one of their products being listed all over the web to play, when they shelved it and took down master server...as really think best solution, would be have hirez put master server back up, as a petition might suffice, as well as some cash or least a way for them to advertise their other releases, so potential cross purchase and play would occur and make it good for the company...why?

main reason, think it is bad for the IP to pull master server, as really how much does it cost a year to keep game alive...
Think about all the consumers got screwed, as a class action lawsuit, might be the harsh approach, as no telling how many disgruntle players it impacted, who purchased the game and spent years developing their skill and invested so many hours playing, only to have it be shelved...may be too late for class action, though really think was grounds to do so, unless it says somewhere, in agreement, that they have rights to close and end the game, when ever they choose fit...and if they do, then this would only as my point, very bad for business.

You have no concept of ownership do you...

The foundation of everything you just said is negated because you dont have the rights to do anything youre talking about.

And even if you somehow hacked T2 onto steam. Goodluck getting me onboard or anyone here onboard for the possibility of breaking the law. Or even think that steam would allow you to post it.

[({STAR})earthinhabitant]

i read that article a few years back and up on situation then and even contacted hi-rez about purchasing the IP Tribes...got no response from email.

Anyways, i am not interested in purchasing any rights, as this would be a win win for everyone, as the game is a bit obsolete almost, though making it available, could have some benefits for Hi-rez, by offering link to their site for current release games they own...

for sure, do not think it would cut into any profits or create any liabilities or risks, for them and simple disclaimer, would suffice, imo.

I do not think the source code is needed, for all practical intents and purpose, to add to the gaming directories, just think the owners of the game would need to authorize it, and make sure all permissions are in order to do so.

Was reading on on xfire and the all seeing eye and other gaming tools yesterday and i do not use steam currently, though was just thinking would be nice to offer it on steam for everyone...as gamespy is gone too now and sure there are others that maybe the requirements to add, are not so stringent and just act like Tribes2n is owned by the community or for sure not anyone they would be legally put in harms way, for claiming ownership rights... and just put it up on as many sites and game query programs and tools that we can, as i am not sure about legal ramifications, as for sure would not want hirez to get pissy about it if they saw one of their products being listed all over the web to play, when they shelved it and took down master server...as really think best solution, would be have hirez put master server back up, as a petition might suffice, as well as some cash or least a way for them to advertise their other releases, so potential cross purchase and play would occur and make it good for the company...why?

main reason, think it is bad for the IP to pull master server, as really how much does it cost a year to keep game alive...
Think about all the consumers got screwed, as a class action lawsuit, might be the harsh approach, as no telling how many disgruntle players it impacted, who purchased the game and spent years developing their skill and invested so many hours playing, only to have it be shelved...may be too late for class action, though really think was grounds to do so, unless it says somewhere, in agreement, that they have rights to close and end the game, when ever they choose fit...and if they do, then this would only as my point, very bad for business.

You have no concept of ownership do you...

The foundation of everything you just said is negated because you dont have the rights to do anything youre talking about.

And even if you somehow hacked T2 onto steam. Goodluck getting me onboard or anyone here onboard for the possibility of breaking the law. Or even think that steam would allow you to post it.

lol,i am not looking to have or own the rights..to do anything, suggesting contact hirez and see if they would do.

submitting to sites for game query monitoring and being listed, is possible, without permission from hirez, was a question, and imo, it would be okay...as look dude, you are possibly breaking the law, by playing it now, via a hack....correct?

if you read the steam requirements, posted in OP, would see, in FAQ, Steam does not allow it...unless...?>

Submitting it to game server query developers and tools, so it shows up in list of online games, may not be a violation of anything...though it may be, as well, as even playing it now, it would not surprise me at all...though really do not see any harm in it, and you do not either, do you... as playing it is okay right CT?

My question is, should we contact hirez and ask them to put it on steam...
and also, if other sites might be suitable to submit it to their directories and of course game server monitors lists, so everyone will see it like quake and other games

[Chocotaco]

https://steamcommunity.com/greenlight/discussions/18446744073709551615/3223871682630296149/

[({STAR})earthinhabitant]

https://steamcommunity.com/greenlight/discussions/18446744073709551615/3223871682630296149/

Keep us posted on responses, as I am almost certain for steam, the answer is no, and that only IP owners can submit it to steam..

However, would not be first time, was ever wrong!  

Not sure about the licensing rights, as you mentioned, as i am almost certain hi-rez own all rights to everything tribes.

I am going to post quote, the discussion you started on steam forums here, and update us please, with any news good or bad please CT.

TacoDeChoco 54 minutes ago
Submitting a game you do not own
Lets say you play a game, it works well, and has a community. The community does not own the game but would like to get recognition and possibly more players. Can the game be submitted for free without ownership rights. The game is Tribes 2. The company that made it (dynamix) is now disbanded. The company that bought them (vivendi) has been bought by other companies (activision). The tribes Franchise rights was bought by HiRez. But I dont believe HiRez has any affiliation with the community or do they possess the source code.

If we were able to produce a stable version of the game could it be submitted for no profit and with the only intention of is growing our player base and getting exposure?
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Skoardy 52 minutes ago
No.
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Phil 51 minutes ago
If the people who made the game give you the go ahead yes
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TacoDeChoco 22 minutes ago
Those are two mixed answers
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Skoardy 20 minutes ago
Not really. One is what he asked, the other is an answer based on additional conditions.
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TacoDeChoco 19 minutes ago

    Originally posted by Phil:
    If the people who made the game give you the go ahead yes


If we were talking about the people who actually made the game cutting out any other subsidiaries, their engine is now opensource under the mit licence in that respect.

http://www.garagegames.com/products/torque-3d   
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TacoDeChoco 18 minutes ago

    Originally posted by Skoardy:
    Not really. One is what he asked, the other is an answer based on additional conditions.


I understand, Im just going out on a limb here since the situation is so complicated.

[({STAR})earthinhabitant]

the people who made the game, answer response, saying yes it would be okay, is ambiguous, as really it is who owns the game, i.e., hirez, as does not matter who made it now, it is all about who owns it now.

Unless in the licensing agreement, it states somewhere that long as the credits are not altered or certain conditions are met, or any way to release any altered version, like tribesnext, might be considered, then getting permission from hirez is required for steam...imo and the engine is sadly only part of the game.

[({STAR})earthinhabitant]

ran across this:

https://www.nexusmods.com/tribesvengeance/mods/3/?

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and also this:

http://starsiege1.proboards.com/thread/174/eula-license-agreement-starsiege-states

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There seems to be a very important series of misunderstandings on your part with regard to the ownership of the products in the Earthsiege universe, i.e.: Starsiege, Tribes, Tribes 2, etc.

1) The 2 Tribes products were distributed free of charge by Vivendi Universal Games to celebrate the release of Tribes: Vengeance, until the unique serial numbers for Tribes 2 ran out, at which point the games ceased to be distributed freely by VUG.

2) Starsiege has never been distributed freely by VUG, and shall not be.

3) The fact that 2 of the Tribes games were freely distributed temporarily in no way voided the ownership rights of VUG, who did, and still does, own and defend all IP for the Tribes series, Starsiege, and their related products. These products, whether 'supported' or not, and whether still sold or not, still belong to Vivendi Universal Games and they will not sell, nor give away, that IP.

I can elaborate on these points, having spent many months in meetings at Vivendi's offices in Paris, in 2007, with the lead IP attorney for VUG, a Mr. Dresch, and his legal team. At the time my brother and I were attempting to purchase the IP rights to Starsiege, owning a movie company, comic book company, and video game company partnered with several of the founders of Blizzard. In the end it was made clear by VUG that they will in no way part with ownership of the titles they have spent many years adding to their collection through company acquisitions and mergers.

If you think your attempt is the first, in the past 10 years, to get something done about this game then you are very mistaken. If you think it will change a single thing with regard to the ownership of any product in the Earthsiege Universe, again you are very mistaken.


On a side note - anyone try clicking on the starsiegemods.com link in that first post in this topic? Or even tried to go to their other address (ssmods.com)? Starsiegemods.com and ssmods.com are gone and have been for a long time

[({STAR})earthinhabitant]

oh and i forgot this one for T:A by hi-rez:

https://web2.hirez.com/hirez-studios//wp-content/uploads/2016/05/EULA-Tribes.pdf

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PRE
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LOADED SOFTWARE
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ess and until you receive from Hi
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WHEN  RUNNING,
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AND  COLLECT  DATA  REGARDING  YOUR  USE  AND  PLAY  OF  THE  SOFTWARE  PRO
DUCT  IN
ACCORDANCE   WITH   HI
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REZ’
S
PRIVACY   POLICY,   A   CURRENT   COPY   OF   WHICH   MAY   BE
ACCESSED  AT
<
http://legal.hirezstudios.com
>
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IN  ADD
ITION,  THE  SOFTWARE  PRODUCT
AND  ANY
RELATED  HI
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REZ  SERVICES
MAY  MONITOR
EACH  OF
YOUR
HARDWARE  DEVICE'S
RANDOM
ACCESS    MEMORY    (RAM)    FOR    UNAUTHORIZED    THIRD    PARTY    PROGRAMS    RUNNING
CONCURRENTLY  WITH  THE  SOFTWARE  PRODUCT.  AN  “
UNAUTHORIZED   THIRD   PARTY
PROGRAM
”  AS
USED   HEREIN   SHALL   BE   DEFINED   AS   ANY   THIRD   PARTY   SOFTWARE

[Krash]

Hi-Rez owns the rights to the franchise -- full stop.
While they do distribute the games on one of their own websites as freeware, and do link to our patch to enable online support, it's ultimately their property to do with what they will; without being granted license we have no right to publish it on a distribution platform.

As I've said before: given the license, I'd be happy to do the work of putting it on Steam (with or without the source).  Without permission, it just can't happen.

[Chocotaco]

Hi-Rez owns the rights to the franchise -- full stop.
While they do distribute the games on one of their own websites as freeware, and do link to our patch to enable online support, it's ultimately their property to do with what they will; without being granted license we have no right to publish it on a distribution platform.

As I've said before: given the license, I'd be happy to do the work of putting it on Steam (with or without the source).  Without permission, it just can't happen.

Yeah, no way, Im with you 100%

[({STAR})earthinhabitant]

Hi-Rez owns the rights to the franchise -- full stop.
While they do distribute the games on one of their own websites as freeware, and do link to our patch to enable online support, it's ultimately their property to do with what they will; without being granted license we have no right to publish it on a distribution platform.

As I've said before: given the license, I'd be happy to do the work of putting it on Steam (with or without the source).  Without permission, it just can't happen.

Yeah, no way, Im with you 100%

I agree, and thus reason, asking about someone contacting them, and making the request, unless of course, the response from HR could be, as i think it might be, like, no way and btw, it is violation to play tribes2 online now with use of an altered master server and ask tribesnext to be taking offline or anything tribes2 related, that allows game play...as their reason would be...anyone playing t2 is a customer or potential custom of one of their other games, like T:A and thus by playing tribes2, ito is illegal and infringing etc.

[Chocotaco]

Hi-Rez owns the rights to the franchise -- full stop.
While they do distribute the games on one of their own websites as freeware, and do link to our patch to enable online support, it's ultimately their property to do with what they will; without being granted license we have no right to publish it on a distribution platform.

As I've said before: given the license, I'd be happy to do the work of putting it on Steam (with or without the source).  Without permission, it just can't happen.

Yeah, no way, Im with you 100%

I agree, and thus reason, asking about someone contacting them, and making the request, unless of course, the response from HR could be, as i think it might be, like, no way and btw, it is violation to play tribes2 online now with use of an altered master server and ask tribesnext to be taking offline or anything tribes2 related, that allows game play...as their reason would be...anyone playing t2 is a customer or potential custom of one of their other games, like T:A and thus by playing tribes2, ito is illegal and infringing etc.

Im not sure if you're reading what other people are saying. If YOU want to contact hirez to get information on licensing rights. Maybe YOU need to find a way to get a hold of them. And do it. If YOURE not willing to make some sort of deal with HiRez. Than YOU are out of luck. Ive already tried to sit here and explain it to you.

You do not own tribes 2. The community does not own tribes 2 therefore it cannot be released on steam. No matter how you reword it, no matter how many times you reread the terms and conditions. No interpretation will ever lead to you owning it.

[Blakhart]

Right, so email hirez and ask them if they'd put t1 and t2 and maybe starseige on steam?